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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: May 29, 2010 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

I feel like these tunes haven't been discussed in a while; maybe they have and I just haven't been paying attention. In any case I'd like to hear your thoughts on your favorite version of Not Fade Away > Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad > Not Fade Away, because I have a feeling there are a lot of great ones that I haven't heard. Granted, a lot of them sound pretty similar to each other, but I have found a couple very unique ones, my personal favorite being the 11/15/71 on the latest Road Trips. Please share your favorite, and maybe talk about why you like it so much?

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 29, 2010 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

7/25/72 Portland. Not an outstanding version of NFA but the transition nails it. GDTRFB has all the dynamics, Donna nails it pretty good too. http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-07-25.sbd.cotsman.7046.sbeok.shnf
This post was modified by hippie64 on 2010-05-30 00:13:08

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 31, 2010 1:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

The Skull and Roses version is also my favorite, and the little section at the end is great because you get a nice little tune and emotion but don't have to suffer the words. Is some special name for just the melody? Ah that's the S&R version: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-04-05.sbd.cantor.gmb.96269.flac16 It's interesting to hear the whole thing not faded out, and the context with a whole nother 24 minutes of Lovelight after. And that 02-27-81 is ponderously pretty -- much preferable to the predictable clapping just a few years later: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-02-27.mtx.chappell.sb02b.28384.sbeok.flac16
This post was modified by spacedface on 2010-05-31 08:11:55

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 31, 2010 7:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

Hey now !! Thanx for the Skull and Roses link, I've been to lazy to ask about it (kinda shows my newbie status also), IT IS FOR SURE IS ONE OF MY ALL TIME NA>GTRFB ! That 81 link will be fun to check out if and/or when I peel myself away from these 68-75 shows.

speaking of Not fading away, I heard a professor speak from the University of Louisiana and he had a very valid question. Where are the skimmers to at least get the surface oil cleaned up? He was 10 miles from the well site and there wasn't a skimmer to be seen ANYWHERE !!

Sorry if I"m hijacking here, it's just that it was brought to my attention, so I'm passing on my frustration. Thanks again for the links.

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 31, 2010 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

Just repeating the S&R link from "high flow".

Yeah, oil spills (any pollution really) pretty much prove the need for government and regulation. Unfortunately, gov't has been captured by the wealthy who rig the system for themselves and for buyoffs of certain groups.

The refusal of the USA to submit to reality just means that the rest of the decline of the empire with be painful but quick. Some say world fisheries may collapse by 2050. God knows how nature will change; it's too bad the hippies weren't able to effect change and stop the rise of the right wing, who blocked ideas of decentralized power and encouraged corruption.

The kids have big problems in store and little awareness as far I can tell. But the pressure will get worse, and may be they'll avoid the mistakes of the last 30-40 years -- and not fall prey to whispers of fear and desire.

So much for the "new American century"! That's a phrase that everyone should understand.

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Poster: Ernie Bo-Peep Date: May 31, 2010 8:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

I have to agree with the picks so far.

11/15/71 is unique and full of fire, 4/5/71 a staple of perfection, 10/31/71 is smokin', etc. Many great ones from 1971, try out 10/19/71 for example. Jerry and the boys rip it apart and put it back together again.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-10-19.orefm.clugston.3301.sbeok.shnf

In 1972 you can find the band still enjoying the combo: 3/23/72, 4/14/72 with a little China Cat tease, a sweet one from 5/3/72, 9/21/72, etc. They burned out on it a bit and with the next wave of tunes coming in 1973 and 1974, the combo became harder to find.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-03.sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf

There's a great sequence from 5/19/74 that's not to be missed:
Truckin' > MLB Jam > NFA > GDTRFB

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-05-19.sbd.miller.106716.flac16

I still enjoy the plodding NFAs from 1976, 1977 and the more muscular, angry, rockin' 1978 but find the ones from 1979 and the early 80's to have (mostly) more fire in their bellies!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-12-04.sbd.clugston.2535.sbeok.shnf

Nothing truly compares to 1971, IMHO.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 29, 2010 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

well mine is the version on skull and roses because that and Wharf Rat are the songs that turned me on to the dynamics of the live Grateful Dead experience. The way Garcia and Weir weave in and out and around each other ( while Bill and Phil lay down that pounding rhythm )is beyond explanation or reason and not to mention pure bliss. Certainly nothing like I had experienced before and certainly I know of no one else that can do this sort of thing.

NFA as a stand alone - they did some neat things with it when Brent came on board but soon after that I'd almost rather hear Day Job, that song became SO predictable that I'd have gone home right there if not for wanting to stick it out for the encore just to see. And the clapping and chanting - about as creepy cultish as it could get imo

GDTRFB - love that tune anytime anywhere, I'd be happy even hearing a 95 version. That tune always puts me it a good mood.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: May 29, 2010 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

I've never listened much to the Skull and Roses version! I'll check it out again.

As for the latter-day NFAs, I couldn't agree more. I love that tune in the early days but HATE HATE HATE it in the 80's and 90's. It got slow, routine, and mind-numbingly boring. I like 1977 as a year, but I usually can't even stand Not Fade Away then, so many are lifeless and rote.

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Poster: BVD Date: May 29, 2010 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

Try 10/31/71 on for size

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Poster: BVD Date: May 29, 2010 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

Disregard 10/31/71...It's the wrong date. They didn't even play NFA...on this day. Sorry. I'll find the one I meant to recommend in a bit.

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Poster: BVD Date: May 29, 2010 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

FUCK!! They did play it on Halloween 71. Great high energy version. It's a Dicks Pick, that's why when I checked the archive it wasn't there. Sorry for the mix-up

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 29, 2010 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

"Why would anyone give so much free rent in their heads to this schmuck? The best and the brightest? are you fucking kidding me!!?? Stop feeding his ego! He's no better or brighter than any of you guys."

Stick to fucking with people BVD, you are better at it than discussing music...

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Poster: high flow Date: May 29, 2010 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ? // Great China-Rider as well

Way to muck-jack the thread. As if we need more of that kind of input. I, too, love the 4/5/71 version. It's the tops baby! http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-04-05.sbd.cantor.gmb.96269.flac16 Just went back to this show. The China-Rider is amazing. The guitar work is nearly flawless. Check out Bob's intro....it's perfect. Right?
This post was modified by high flow on 2010-05-29 21:34:38

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 29, 2010 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ? // Great China-Rider as well

I suppose that makes me the "worst and dimmest"? I can live with that...plus, it sounds better to say "Flow, you're no dimmer than Tell", eh?

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Poster: high flow Date: May 29, 2010 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ? // Great China-Rider as well

Well let's not forget I coined the term muck-jack. NNNNNNNKay?

You are anything but dim, Mr Tell. AND, there is more to life than smart. Smart is great, but I trust the ones with a heart over those with just smarts.

Empathy I believe is the operative word. My favorite people in life have it and show it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 29, 2010 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ? // Great China-Rider as well

You got that right...I think mine just grew three sizes; but now, I gotta take the ice off the knee and get moving! Keep em honest around here, nnnkay?

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: May 29, 2010 4:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

Ouch, Cliff. Harsh as ever.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 31, 2010 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

Harsh perhaps, but certainly well deserved!

And 11/7/71 is one of the very best performances of the suite...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11-07.prefm.kaplan.9570.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 30, 2010 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

For me 71, early Keith versions are the best, but I like NFA into the early 80's, like that sort of "narcotic" feel, that I could have , but after they moved it to the end , and cut the jam to almost nothing, and added the Buddy Holly , "bop bop" ending , It is mostly ... well , kind of lame .
GDTRFB suffers, in my opinion, when Mickey comes back . The gentle , lopeing , rolling ( like you are riding a walking horse )feel becomes more direct , the drummers going "boom-thwack, boom thawk" .
In the early days , I love how they would slip into it, In later days, Jerry would go directly into a sort of irritable, caffeinated version of the riff , to launch the song . Most of the grace , and smooth country groove was gone .
Now there are a few with Hornsby that I have to admit are nice , I just feel, that they got tired of jamming NFA, and lost the country feel for GDTRFB .

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 29, 2010 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Favorite NFA/GDTRFB ?

you hit the nail on the head 100% on how i feel about NFA too